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By Almost Every Measure Nadal is the Greatest

Recently Andre Agassi said that Rafael Nadal was the greatest tennis player of all time. As if he was a reader of our blog, he said (1) “I’d put Nadal No. 1, Federer No. 2,”, (2) “Nadal had to deal with Federer, (Novak) Djokovic, (Andy) Murray in the golden age of tennis. He has done what he has done and he’s not done yet.” And (3) “It’s just remarkable to me what he has done, and he has done it all during Federer’s prime.” Perhaps no one would be better qualified to answer that question as Agassi dominated Federer 3-0 before he got too old at 33 to last a full match with him.

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With Agassi’s impetus, we revisit our prior metrics established for player performance over their careers. In particular our methodology which is called the “Secada Tennis Equivalency Rating” or STER.

Echoing Agassi, Roger Federer has 17 grand slam wins. A record unlikely to be equalled according to John Ryle and the folks at 538. Rafael Nadal has 14 grand slams. Nadal has won slams on 3 different surfaces twice and 9 French Opens. Records unlikely to be equalled.

In such a great debate, most people would ask what was the head to head between the rivals. As in the Super Bowl or the NCAA basketball championships, the person who wins is usually the better player. A great argument for tennis’ lack of popularity as a sport among viewers is that this is not the case in tennis, 1+1 is not 2. Almost all tennis columnists argue Federer is the greatest. A few others are fence sitters on this topic and Rafael Nadal is treated by the sports media like Pancho Gonzalez was 60 years ago by the tennis world. Few of these journalists were ever tournament tennis players and even fewer have any sort of quantitative background. None can admit they missed the tennis story of the 21st century which is Rafael Nadal’s all time greatness.

Below, we take a deeper dive into the data focusing primarily on Nadal and Federer.

Nadal vs. Federer Rivalry

Most tennis journalists and commentators who look at the Nadal – Federer rivalry shrug off Nadal’s 23-10 dominance. But two facts show Nadal’s absolute domination which is greater than the actual record. Grass court tennis (Wimbledon) is played about 4 weeks during the tennis year and indoor tennis primarily the Masters, is played for 4-6 weeks during the tennis year. So in a year of tennis about 80% of the tennis is played on hard courts or clay. Nadal’s record vs. Federer on those surfaces is 9-2 on Hard Courts and 13-2 on Clay. 4 of Federer’s wins against Nadal have been indoors where Nadal is ineffective and 2 have come on Grass where Federer has not beaten Nadal since he was 21. So for about 80% of the tennis season Nadal is an overwhelming favorite to beat Federer 85% of the time.

As we discussed in a prior blog post, Federer has not had a tournament win in a grand slam against Nadal since Nadal was 21. And Nadal has beaten Federer the last time they played in the finals of every slam on every surface. So a betting person would see Nadal as the odds-on favorite on every surface against Federer except indoors where tennis is rarely played.

Inside the Federer – Nadal Match

But what about inside the match? We developed a new metric to quantify the difference between Nadal and Federer. Federer usually holds an advantage in aces and service winners against Nadal, but what happens when the point gets into play? If Nadal gets the ball back, what chance does Federer have in the point? We created the Secada Point Differential, Less Ace Differential (SPODLAD) metric to account for this. SPODLAD is simply the calculation of point differential per match i.e. the difference in points won per match, less the ace differential per match. Prior to Nadal’s turning 22 Nadal’s SPODLAD vs. Federer in matches he won was about 13 points.

Since turning 22, Nadal’s average SPODLAD vs. Federer in wins has widened to a 20 point advantage. So since learning how to beat Federer in his early years, it has become much easier. In 85% of Federer’s hard court and clay court matches against Nadal, he starts at a 20 point disadvantage off serve which is like being 1-2 points behind every game in a 2 set match. Why play the match, just bring the shellac!

Indeed in Federer’s 2007 Wimbledon win against Nadal, Nadal had a superior SPODLAD of 16 but Federer served 23 more aces and several more service winners to provide the winning margin. You might say, “Eureka, that’s it, Federer has a great serve”, but he doesn’t. Federer hasn’t had a 20 Ace differential match against Nadal since the 2008 Wimbledon. The Ace differential since then is about 5 Aces per match in wins or losses. Note: Federer’s serve has not improved speedwise since 2007 while Nadal has added 10 miles per hour to his serve on faster services. Even more telling, Federer’s SPODLAD in wins against Nadal is 6 in his career and when eliminating indoor tourneys is less than 3. When Federer wins, it is by the skin of his teeth.

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Comparative Slam Victories

We dug even deeper. What about the 17 grand slams Federer has vs. Nadal’s 14. Critics say that matters. To measure that, we developed the Secada Finals Efficiency Rating (SFER).

In the past we have used the Secada Total Opponent Slams (STOS) as a measure of the quality of the opponent a slam winner beat in the finals. STOS takes the number of slams an opponent has won during the career and assigns a numerical power rating to that number. So in 17 Slams Federer’s opponents have won a respectable total of 55 grand slams in their careers or about 3 career slams on average. Meanwhile, Nadal’s opponents have won 124 grand slams between them or about 9 slams on average. Nadal is 6-2 vs Federer at Slam finals and has not lost to him at a slam final since he was 21 years old.

But world renowned tennis historian, Phil Secada, suggested we look at the actual Grand Slam championships won at that point in time by opponents and zeroed out the slams won against champions past their prime (Andre Agassi) and slams not yet won. We call this the Secada Finals Efficiency Rating for Power (SFERP). In other words, SFERP takes the number of slams won by the champion’s opponents only up until that point in time to normalize the data for relative match experience.

And Nadal continues to impress. His opponents still have a record 87 grand slams under their belts between them as Nadal has beaten Djokovic twice since Djokovic’s 6th grand slam victory and Federer 4 times since his 12th slam.

Nadal Victories Over Other Slam Champs in Slam Finals

But Federer’s SFERP rating of 12 tell a different story.

Federer Victories Over Other Slam Champs in Slam Finals

New York Times Wine Diarist and Sommelier Journal writer – Michael Steinberger (seriously, tennis is that unpopular, no really) claims Federer is the all time greatest because he set records against chumps and babies. Federer has no championship wins against all time great players in their prime. Federer’s wins against Murray and Djokovic in Slam finals was before they won a slam. Just because somebody won during a weak year doesn’t mean that year (that title) is as good as someone who won during a great year. In layman’s terms “Shakespeare in Love” won the Academy Award in a weak movie year. Does that make it as good as “Gone With the Wind” or “Titanic” or “Gladiator” that all won out over other great movies? HECK NO! In tennis parlance, John McEnroe’s Wimbledon victory over 5 time defending champion Bjorn Borg is far greater than Pat Cash’s win over non titlist Ivan Lendl. OF COURSE!

How About Federer vs. Djokovic?

Federer never beat a player with more than 3 slam victories in the finals of a slam and once he has lost to a player at a slam final he has not beaten that person again at the same slam. In contrast, after Nadal lost to Djokovic at the 2011 US Open, he came back and defeated Djokovic at the 2013 final. Nadal has beaten players with more than 3 slam victories in their prime at 9 slam finals, another record! The next closest are Ivan Lendl and Sampras with 4 finals wins against players with more than 3 slam victories. And Djokovic’s Ascension to arguably the #1 player the last 4 years has had an impact on Nadal. The last time we calculated all time winning percent against all time greats, Nadal was #1 with a 66% rate. Since then and with several losses to Djokovic, Nadal is now #4 in all time winning percent against other all time greats at 57.8%. And we expect Nadal’s winning percent to continue to decline against the younger Djokovic.

all time great winning percent

What about other measures. SITDON and SATERICCON are quantitative, analytical metrics created to measure the body of a tennis players career as a whole vs. the field. It looks at the Grand Slam championships of rivals in the tournament and rivals played. As your opponents records improve, your own ranking goes up. According to our SITDON and SATERICCON 2014 All Time Rankings, Federer has finally surpassed Pete Sampras as an all court champion. But, Federer himself has been surpassed as an all court champion by Novak Djokovic. On a total points basis Rafael Nadal is way out in front with 292 points, Federer has 170 points but Novak Djokovic has 171 points. Pete Sampras has 161 points.

Djokovic has rocketed ahead based on superior competition in tournaments he has won including this year’s Wimbledon. We expect, with little competition in sight and a game like Agassi’s built to last, Djokovic will win a few more fast surface slams before his career is over putting him far ahead of Federer. Again, below are all time rankings based on draw competitiveness. Of players with more than 6 championships in our top 8 rankings based on tournament competitiveness, Federer has won against the weakest finalists in aggregate. Nadal has won against the strongest finalists followed by Sampras, McEnroe and Djokovic.

all time great draw competitiveness

With this data, now ask any one of these commentators if their money was on the line in a head to head who would they bet on and it would be Nadal. What about the third best player of the era, Novak Djokovic. In the last 5 years, Federer is 2-4 in slams against the Djoker (6-6 all time), Nadal is 5-3 vs. Djoker in the same period and 9-3 overall. So who would you bet to have the best chance against the third best player of the era at their prime? So right, you would bet against Federer playing Nadal and Djoker, but Federer is the best?!? HE ISN’T!!!If Federer isn’t the best of his era by 2, he can’t he be the best of all time.

Ranking Federer by Surface All Time

ADDING THEM UP – MEASURING TENNIS GREATNESS

We’ve covered how Roger Federer stacks up vs the other all time greats on an all surface basis.  Our methodology, SHOTS , argues that for tennis greatness it is important to establish a consistent framework.   SHOTS relies on 2 metrics we created, SITDON, which looks at career winning percent between all time greats, Pantheonists, vs. each other and SATERICCON, a multi-dimensional snapshot of the competitiveness of open era slams ranking each one of them.  When we aggregate the results of those slams for each winner, it gives us a portrait of the all time most competitive slam champions, those players who were greatest when greatness was required.   So rather than hypothesize, we look at player records, value the toughest tournaments and add them up.  In the absence of an alternative methodology, we provide a robust framework to answer the question, who really is the Greatest Tennis Champion.

Breaking out Federer’s match record by surface, he places 7th at Wimbledon in SATERICCON score vs. Sampras who comes in first with a 2.63 ranking.   Sampras may not have a 2.63 times greater chance of winning a Wimbledon championship than Federer (though we think it is somewhat indicative).  But he is more likely to win such a championship where players have won 2.63 times more slams than in Federer’s era.  (Remember that we have adjusted the SATERICCON rating to almost double Federer’s chances of winning a slam vs all time greats based on cumulative rather than average score. )  Some consider Sampras’ victory in 1993 to be the greatest Wimbledon.  Quarterfinalists included 6 slam winners (Agassi, Edberg, Becker, Stich, Courier and Sampras) and 2 multi-slam finalists (Todd Martin and Cedric Pioline).  However, Becker’s 1989 victory had 4 quarterfinalists that had won as many grand slams as the 1993 quarterfinalists combined (Edberg, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander). Both are great feats and show the confluence of great all time players and styles in that era.

Again, SATERICCON Analysis shows the quality of a player by the field they defeat.  Not surprisingly the 4 toughest Wimbledon’s occurred within a 6 year time frame, between 1988 and 1993.

A similar story plays out at the US Open where Federer places 6th to John McEnroe’s 2.93  cumulative rating.  Though some have argued that Sampras’ first US Open victory was the hardest with 5 Pantheon quarterfinalists (McEnroe, Lendl, Agassi and Becker), on a SATERICCON basis, Edberg’s 1991 victory had at least the same difficulty and his 1992 victory was superior with 5 Pantheon quarterfinalists (Sampras, Agassi, Courier and Lendl) plus Michael Chang, a slam winner. McEnroe had a similarly challenging 1980 victory with 4 Pantheonists (Borg, Connors, Lendl) and multi-slam winner, Johan Kriek.

Again, SATERICCON Analysis shows the quality of a player by the field they defeat.  Not surprisingly the toughest US Open’s are concentrated in two eras when great new talents emerged to challenge the established talents still in their prime.   2 of the top 5 occurred when McEnroe and Lendl came to challenge Borg and Connors and the remaining 3 occurred when Agassi, Sampras, Courier and Chang came to challenge Becker, Edberg and Lendl.

When taken on a weighted average across fast surfaces Federer ranks a cumulative 7th on the SATERICCON scale.   Though Borg never won the US Open his cumulative Wimbledon score puts him ahead of Federer.  Likewise, Becker and Edberg who won less than half the titles of Federer, rank ahead of him when you consider that they played at  the nexus of all time great play.

When reviewing the fast surface data, we do a reality check of Federer’s play vs. comparable players who emulated the champions listed above him.  With a 10 year age difference there is insufficient match experience between Federer and Sampras to make a judgement, though Sampras frequently won tournaments at least twice as difficult as Federer and served 5-10 mph on average faster.  Federer lost to Nadal on fast courts many times.  Would he do any better against a left handed serve and volleying McEnroe.  Using Federer’s record against Agassi prior to Agassi turning 33, would Federer do well against a left handed, tough returning player like Connors?  Finally, Patrick Rafter dominated Federer before he retired, would Federer do better against Stefan Edberg who stylistically is a similar yet vastly superior player to Rafter?

When we started this discussion of all time greatness, it was pre-Wimbledon before Rafael Nadal won his 2nd title in 4 consecutive finals.  Nadal fits the prototypical model of the Pantheon players as a teenage winner of a slam or a person who wins a slam within a year or two of turning pro such as Connors in 1974.  All of the top 5 Pantheon  players established themselves this way but not Federer who finishes 10th all time / all surface via SATERRICON .  Nadal is likely to move to #2 all time with his next slam win based on his SATERRICON rating while still maintaining the highest winning percent among Pantheon players via SITDON analysis.

We now look at Nadal’s French Open record.  Nadal’s French Open record is marked by his victories over Federer in 3 finals and 1 semifinal and Federer’s participation in each quarterfinal during Nadal’s era.  Borg’s era is marked by the absence of great clay court players and the retirement of the great Aussie generation early on and Lendl’s is hindered by his quest for a Wimbledon title where he skipped multiple French Opens.   In Lendl’s absence, Wilander and Andres Gomez (who Lendl handily beat 4 times at the French Open) won the title.

Again, SATERICCON analysis shows the quality of the players by the fields they played against.  Not surprisingly the toughest French Open’s involve the Lendl – Wilander rivalry which saw many great multi-surface matches and by Jim Courier’s two year dominance of the surface over Agassi.

To improve his legacy, Federer  will need to do more as the path of his career continues to mirror Sampras with fewer victories and even less victories against other grand slam winners.  A US Open, Wimbledon or Australian Open win against Nadal (the French seems out of the question) and tournament wins over the next generation of greats will be significant and could improve his SATERICCON ratings so he passes Becker and Edberg.  Sampras, Borg, Nadal and McEnroe seem unobtainable and surpassing Connors will depend on his success against a younger generation of future slam winners perhaps including Juan Martin Del Potro (should he return successfully from wrist surgery) and maybe Sam Querrey as both Nadal and Djokovic are on the down side of their career grand slam trajectories and are unlikely to add significantly to their totals.  We don’t see a new generation of players on the horizon like Sampras and Agassi or Lendl and McEnroe that will catalyze the game via a great rivalry with Federer and Nadal.