The NBA treated us this year to “The Decision – Part Deux” and we got loads of entertainment. LeBron and the general media took his every step and gesture as a defender takes his jab step waiting to see if he will take a locomotive drive or pass to an outside bound player for a dagger three pointer. Instead he launched a feathery jumper, defying Thomas Wolfe, saying “LeBron Can Go Home Again”. So after a week of waiting for LeBron, the clogged, NBA free agent rolls were treated to LeBron’s unclogging act and free agents signed fast and furious. Melo stayed home. Pau Gasol moved on to Chicago. Luol Deng moved to Miami. Lance Stephenson abandoned the Pacers. And while dallying with the Rockets, Chris Bosh went back to Miami for the big money. (Of all the players that mattered, why didn’t Bosh go to the Spurs for less money where he could win many future championships?).
A month later, Lebron James reappeared 20 pounds lighter and with the expected Kevin Love acquisition bound for another championship level threesome.
But no one asked the pivotal question. With 40,000 (40K) minutes played in the NBA as a wing player and point forward can he win another championship? Or will LeBron overstay his welcome and face the unmitigating taunting from some future star dropping a ton of points on him in the future like the young Larry Bird when he dropped 42 points to 6 vs. Dr J or Kobe when he dropped 42 on Michael Jordan in the first half of a game?
We took a deep dive into LeBron’s playing data vs historical norms for NBA small forwards. Outside of Scottie Pippen, no player has played point forward remotely close to his minutes in the NBA in their career. And Pippen played point forward for a much shorter period than LeBron as he was not the main ball handler in Houston or Portland, his teams after the Chicago Bulls.
Among today’s active players (table below), LeBron James is number 12 in minutes played. Not one of the players in front of him plays more than 30 minutes a game today and several of them do not start for their respective teams. LeBron may be one of the top 5 active players a year from now!
Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Ray Allen, Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki may hang it up in a season. And LeBron will likely surpass Andre Miller, Vince Carter and Jason Terry in minutes played as their incremental minutes dwindle. Teams don’t build around top 5 active minutes players. LeBron has played 8,000 more minutes than Dwayne Wade!!! In 2 more seasons that gap is likely to grow past 10,000 minutes.
Active NBA Leaders Career Minutes Played | ||||||||
Rank | Player | Starter Minutes – Likely Retire – Position | Reg Season Minutes | Playoff Minutes | Total Minutes | age | total seasons | career average minutes |
1 | Kobe Bryant | N – U – SG | 45,567 | 8,641 | 54,208 | 35 | 18 | 3,012 |
2 | Kevin Garnett | N – Y – PF | 48,910 | 5,283 | 54,193 | 38 | 19 | 2,852 |
3 | Ray Allen | N – Y – SG | 46,344 | 6,064 | 52,408 | 39 | 19 | 2,758 |
4 | Tim Duncan | Y – Y – PF | 43,605 | 8,902 | 52,507 | 38 | 17 | 3,089 |
5 | Paul Pierce | Y – U – SF | 42,458 | 5,776 | 48,234 | 36 | 16 | 3,015 |
6 | Dirk Nowitzki | Y – U – PF | 42,603 | 5,544 | 48,147 | 36 | 16 | 3,009 |
7 | Shawn Marion | Y – U – SF | 38,996 | 3,812 | 42,808 | 36 | 15 | 2,854 |
8 | Steve Nash | N – Y – PG | 38,069 | 4,289 | 42,358 | 40 | 18 | 2,353 |
9 | Vince Carter | N – U – SG | 39,240 | 2,551 | 41,791 | 37 | 16 | 2,612 |
10 | Andre Miller | Y – U – SF | 38,554 | 1,893 | 40,447 | 38 | 15 | 2,696 |
11 | Jason Terry | N – U – PG | 36,956 | 3,265 | 40,221 | 36 | 15 | 2,681 |
12 | LeBron James | Y – U – SF | 33,276 | 6,717 | 39,993 | 29 | 11 | 3,636 |
13 | Joe Johnson | 35,692 | 3,143 | 38,835 | 33 | 13 | 2,987 | |
14 | Elton Brand | Y – U – PF | 34,199 | 1,139 | 36,714 | 35 | 15 | 2,448 |
15 | Rashard Lewis | Y – U – PF | 33,541 | 2,829 | 36,370 | 34 | 16 | 2,273 |
16 | Pau Gasol | Y – U – PF | 32,230 | 4,053 | 36,283 | 34 | 13 | 2,791 |
All the players in front of LeBron had significant minutes decline the immediate season after crossing 40K minutes of 12% on average from their career averages and many of them in this last season have seen absolute decline from career averages ranging from 10-40% not including Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant who lost much of their seasons to injury.
LeBron has averaged a whopping 3,600 minutes a game for 11 seasons something that iron men peers like Joe Johnson or Kobe Bryant have not. LeBron can break down slowly declining in minutes, or he could have a precipitous injury leading to a large decline in average minutes for the remainder of his career. Allen Iverson and Luol Deng are players that were ironmen for periods in their career and then had breakdowns where their playing time declined by 30% on average and they never came back in terms of game minutes from their injuries. Larry Johnson once played 3,700 minutes in a season including playoffs and by the time he was 27 never played more than 2,700 minutes in a season again. Minimally, we would expect LeBron’s minutes to drop by 12%. This is shown on the table below.
Active NBA Leaders Career Change in Minutes post 40,000 minutes | ||||||||||
Rank | Player | Total Minutes | total seasons | career average minutes | avg total seasonal MP after 40K | seasons 40+ MP | change MP first season after 40k MP | %change | change MP last season after 40K MP | %change |
1 | Kobe Bryant | 54,208 | 18 | 3,012 | 2558 | 5 | 120 | 4% | 2658 | 88% |
2 | Kevin Garnett | 54,193 | 19 | 2,852 | 2223 | 6 | 556 | 19% | 1219 | 43% |
3 | Ray Allen | 52,408 | 19 | 2,758 | 2626 | 4 | -71 | -3% | 883 | 32% |
4 | Tim Duncan | 52,507 | 17 | 3,089 | 2547 | 4 | 282 | 9% | 280 | 9% |
5 | Paul Pierce | 48,234 | 16 | 3,015 | 2716 | 3 | 699 | 23% | 676 | 22% |
6 | Dirk Nowitzki | 48,147 | 16 | 3,009 | 2537 | 3 | 430 | 14% | -119 | -4% |
8 | Steve Nash | 42,358 | 18 | 2,353 | 1001 | 2 | 334 | 14% | 1648 | 70% |
12 | LeBron James | 39,993 | 11 | 3,636 | ||||||
Average | 12% | 36% |
Last year, Miami won 54 games and got to the NBA finals with LeBron playing a whopping 3,650 minutes. If LeBron were to cut his minutes by the average 12% to 3,250 minutes (8-9 games missed) how many games would the new Cleveland Cavaliers be able to win in 2014-2015 after going 34-49 in 2013-2014. Even assuming the Cleveland team with all three players and a rookie coach are as good as Miami was on average last year with Eric Spoelstra coaching (not necessarily true), because of the high career unavailabilty of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving and diminished playing time for LeBron, this team would be expected to finish worse than Miami’s record from last year. Probably at least 5 games worse.
The numbers from this era of basketball tell a part of the story about LeBron’s quest for new success in Cleveland. But what about compared to other all time great small forwards who have played pro basketball. How have they fared after their 40K minute played? Reflecting on the success of the top 11 all time NBA small forwards in terms of minutes played, not one has won a championship as the team leading scorer after playing their 40K minute. This is shown on the table below.
This considers such all time greats as Paul Pierce, John Havlicek and Scottie Pippen. Even the great Michael Jordan won his last championship during the season he surpassed 40K minutes played. Havlicek won as a supporting cast member to all star teammates Dave Cowens, Paul Silas and Charlie Scott. Outside of Havlicek, it seems winning championships after 40K minutes is the provenance of big men like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Tim Duncan, who also won championships as the supporting cast for other stars like Magic Johnson or Tony Parker.
All Time NBA Small Forwards Championships Post 40K Mins | |||||||
Rank | Player | Reg Season Minutes | Playoff Minutes | Total Minutes | total seasons | career average minutes / season | Championships after 40K minutes leading scorer category |
1 | John Havlicek* | 46,471 | 5,838 | 52,309 | 16 | 3,269 | 0 |
2 | Scottie Pippen* | 41,069 | 8,105 | 49,174 | 17 | 2,893 | 0 |
3 | Paul Pierce | 42,458 | 5,749 | 48,207 | 16 | 3,013 | 0 |
4 | Shawn Marion | 38,996 | 3,812 | 42,808 | 15 | 2,854 | 0 |
5 | Michael Finley | 37,996 | 4,654 | 42,650 | 15 | 2,843 | 0 |
6 | Larry Bird* | 34,443 | 6,886 | 41,329 | 13 | 3,179 | 0 |
7 | Alex English* | 38,063 | 2,565 | 40,628 | 15 | 2,709 | 0 |
8 | Dominique Wilkins* | 38,113 | 2,275 | 40,388 | 17 | 2,376 | 0 |
9 | LeBron James | 33,276 | 6,717 | 39,993 | 11 | 3,636 | na |
10 | Elgin Baylor* | 33,863 | 5,510 | 39,373 | 14 | 2,812 | 0 |
11 | Adrian Dantley* | 34,151 | 2,515 | 38,917 | 15 | 2,594 | 0 |
This season will beg many questions. How many coaches will look to give a beating to the much lauded new NBA coach David Blatt and set the NBA pecking order. Speaking of Blatt, no NBA Rookie coach has won an NBA championship since Pat Riley who took over an NBA championship team from 2 years prior. And Riley had a background like no other as the son of a pro athlete whose high school beat Kareem Abdul Jabbar’s Power Memorial in the New York State championships. He later played for the winningest coach in college basketball history and for an NBA championship team. He was also an assistant coach when the Lakers won a championship. All credentials Blatt does not possess.
What about LeBron’s weight loss? That may help his career durability, but many NBA big men will have less to fear from a 220 pound LeBron barreling down the lane than a 250 pound LeBron. It seems LeBron is trying to become Kobe. But LeBron has logged far more miles on his body as a point forward than Kobe who has played primarily on passing/endurance friendly teams. It may be too little too late.
Can the Cavaliers get to the finals much less win a championship this year, playing with a new coach and an often injured Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love who average between them 60 games a season in their career and neither have been to the playoffs much less played on a winning team.
Can the 36 year old Shawn Marion, the player with the 4th most active minutes in the NBA provide meaningful support for LeBron? How many people will look to get revenge on LeBron who will not have NBA all time greats Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade alongside him going into this season? How many rebounds will Kevin Love get playing on a team that makes more shots in a conference that plays on average with 10% fewer possessions. Is one Kevin Love who plays 70% of the games better than Chris Bosh, the Birdman and Udonis Haslem (10 boards per 36 minute players) combined? In a race against time, this team may mature in 2-3 seasons, but by then LeBron may have played his 46th or 49th thousandth minute. Not the numbers that win championships.